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PHOTON BELT- SHIFT INCONSCIOUSNESS- THE COLLECTIVE

Post  Admin on Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:58 pm

I believe what happens is that the science of the natural progression of our planet/universe etc is generally turned into a circus by many of these groups. Although this belt of light might be occurring it has been turned into Hail bop or the heavens gate madness. Its like the excitement of seeing fire for the first time or hidden cultures on the planet being introduced to a blender or an electric can opener. So its turned into all sorts of tales being spun, as people begin to scramble either in fear or in anticipation of being caught up in the rapture.

Yet there is some validity to the rapture etc in regards to a natural vibratory progression that occurs as we shift in consciousness. Shifting in conscious has also been taken out of context. Consciousness is awareness- knowledge; becoming progressively aware of ones self as being creation itself but in chunks or small pieces. You are expanding your awareness, embracing and consciously engaging in more and more of who you really are in the grand scheme of things hence there are gradual shifts in the vibration of ones consciousness.

Yes according to the map of the cosmos viewed by the Mayans, the Dogons etc and modern day scientists there is an alignment, a line up that is expected to take place. This of course is a naturally occurring cycle every 104 thousand years according to the
observable cycles
This 104 thousand years cycle in our concept of time is further broken down into smaller cycles 12,500 years and so on as defined by the zodiac etc. This is all a natural evolution or graduation for the overall consciousness of the system/s (earth, universe) within which we are having our perceived experience. The observed mechanics of the system is only an echo of the movement going on at the core.

We are however in an on going endless shift but the question is...is it really just about the collective? The perpetuated occurrence in 2012 will leave many in a state of confusion as did the year 2000, why, because it is very possible that if such a sudden shift in consciousness did or does occur it does not mean that everyone will be involved. Many shifts are occurring around us routinely but these experiences are occurring and being observed by individuals who are in a vibrationally different space in their awareness/consciousness to engage in such experiences. The concept of the collective is not necessarily as we have been encouraged to believe. This is the reason or (resonance) why we must engage with the inner for a more expansive flow and direction. The importance of the "individualized" process is not driven home as much as the idea is focused on the collective. The individual is in truth the collective as there really is nothing out there and so as the individual shifts the reality around is then perceived differently hence bringing about a world that then
resonates
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NEW AGE-COINTELPRO-NEW RELIGION

Post  Admin on Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:30 pm

Hehe.....the only reason why I mention the "New Age" is because it is so deceptive and just another program of the Matrix, as I said above. So I think it is good to keep pointing it out. Many people are aware of the government/NWO conspiracies and they question the mainstream media, but their critical thinking is thrown out of the window when it comes to New Age stuff or certain channeled material (some of it I think is genuine, other is deception coming form the Hyperdimensional Overloards of the Matrix). As a matter of fact, there is much COINTELPRO (Counter Intelligence Program) in the New Age world, priming the world for a new religion. But that's a topic on its own......


Aquamantar, this is such an important piece because the majority of the world is under this movement disguised in many ways all being herded into this "New Religion". Yes I agree with you some of the channeling is genuine but what was interesting is that channeling became an epidemic removing individuals from their direct potential. It became an extension of this third party, messiah type deal...humans always being programmed to believe that they cannot progress without a messiah or a third party to get them into heaven or the so termed "new earth".

I would like to get into this further and might post it elsewhere. Its a touchy subject however.

On the forum that I had three years ago I had actually said that they could not post any channeled information and that it had to come directly from them and of course they knew that coming in but they started pushing the envelope. Once I reminded them of this requirement they started getting really upset and leaving so I said fine and just took it down. It was kinda funny though. It was like listening to a good ghost story or a bedtime story and they just ate it up! They loved all of that stuff because it took them away from doing some real work like going within duh! No I became the bad guy Evil or Very Mad Ah well we will see what happens hear...so far the vibe of the board does not allow or invite that but there is always one to test the waters lol! Thanks so much...yes! I am not alone, there is life out there!! cheers


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Re: Resonance, Truth and Illusion

Post  SpiralOut on Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:40 am

Admin wrote:Truth is such a relative experience because when anyone believes in their position very strongly they will die or kill to uphold their truth. Yet to that individual it is the ultimate truth. It is gospel. It is the reason why I do not attempt to convince anyone or challenge their truth. When people or an individual is in a space where he/she is yearning for deeper knowledge and they appear at my door to engage in what I might be saying then that individual is self governing in wanting to hear what I have to say. Otherwise it falls on deaf ears of course until the individual has arisen to question the limited scope or fabric by which his/her truth hangs. Until then his/her reference point of resonance is going to be based on the limited perceptions stemming from the programming and indoctrinations exposed to over the course of his/her life.


Hi Sonia! That is so true and well said. Truth is a tricky subject, because it is very subjective to most people, especially when they don't know themselves. Your approach is very much in line with STO (Service to Others) to "only give when asked". It is best to spread some seeds of awareness without trying to push anything on anyone unless one is sincerely asking for more. It's about about being "externally considerate" and respecting free will, even if it is free will to stay ignorant. It is their choice.

The necessity for self-work and confronting oneself needs to come from oneself. The urge to seek truth in oneself and the world and act upon it has to come from oneself. No one can do it for another and no one can push another to do it, until he/she himself/herself realizes the precious times we live in, acts upon it and starts to work on him/herself. Because only if man knows himself truly is he able to "do". Before that he's just like a blind man walking in a porcelain store.

Admin wrote:Well lets not speak about the "New Age" stuff I have been speaking about that for years and I am sure there are many who thought that I was crazy...good to see I am in fine company! bounce


Hehe.....the only reason why I mention the "New Age" is because it is so deceptive and just another program of the Matrix, as I said above. So I think it is good to keep pointing it out. Many people are aware of the government/NWO conspiracies and they question the mainstream media, but their critical thinking is thrown out of the window when it comes to New Age stuff or certain channeled material (some of it I think is genuine, other is deception coming form the Hyperdimensional Overloards of the Matrix). As a matter of fact, there is much COINTELPRO (Counter Intelligence Program) in the New Age world, priming the world for a new religion. But that's a topic on its own......

Admin wrote:Three years ago I had a Forum up on this site and I had to take it down. I cannot even begin to tell you what it turned into. Tons of New Agers spewing fantasy filled stories that caused great confusion to those who were truly seeking to expand. I realize that everyone is taking in what they need but for me I choose not to be a supporter of the disempowerment that was being injected into seeking minds.


That's funny. The reason why I started posting here is because this forum is still fresh and clean. I have been on other boards as well that eventually got swamped with New Agers who were posting word salad and from highly questionable sources. It was not too much disempowering but empowering the false Self and Wishful thinking.

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Re: Resonance, Truth and Illusion

Post  SpiralOut on Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:02 am

Knightowl wrote:
I am pleased that you have given mention to Ouspensky as in the very early days of my journey I was advised to at least read and understand the mechanics of the "4th way"


Yes, the "4th Way" (originally coined by Ouspensky's teacher G.I Gurdjieff) is a gem stone in regards to spiritual teachings. It goes straight to the core, tackling the programs, illusion and mechanical behavior of humans. If you are interested and drawn to it, I suggest getting "In Search of the Miraculous" by P.D. Ouspenksy.
The 4th Way teachings are like a synthesis of ancient esoteric knowledge as found in Esoteric Christianity (before the church corrupted it all), Sufism and Shamanism and geared towards "modern man", to do the "work" in everyday life.
Here is another excerpt in regards to the mechanical nature of humanity and Gurdjieff explains very well how evolution is only possible if there is conscious "doing". The reason why the matrix keeps us in place is because it keeps people mechanical and hence in a time loop of repetition. In the 4th way teachings the matrix is coined as "The General Law".

In Search of the Miraculous wrote:"People are machines. Machines have to be blind and unconscious, they cannot be otherwise, and all their actions have to correspond to their nature. Everything happens. No one does anything. 'Progress' and 'civilization,' in the real meaning of these words, can appear only as the result of conscious efforts. They cannot appear as the result of unconscious mechanical actions. And what conscious effort can there be in machines? And if one machine is unconscious, then a hundred machines are unconscious, and so are a thousand machines, or a hundred thousand, or a million. And the unconscious activity of a million machines must necessarily result in destruction and extermination. It is precisely in unconscious involuntary manifestations that all evil lies. You do not yet understand and cannot imagine all the results of this evil. But the time will come when you will understand."
"The evolution of man can be taken as the development in him of those powers and possibilities which never develop by themselves, that is, mechanically. Only this kind of development, only this kind of growth, marks the real evolution of man.
"In speaking of evolution it is necessary to understand from the outset that no mechanical evolution is possible. The evolution of man is the evolution of his consciousness. And 'consciousness' cannot evolve unconsciously. The evolution of man is the evolution of his will, and 'will' cannot evolve involuntarily. The evolution, of man is the evolution of his power of doing, and 'doing' cannot be the result of things which 'happen.'
"People do not know what man is. They have to do with a very complex machine, far more complex than a railway engine, a motorcar, or an aeroplane—but they know nothing, or almost nothing, about the construction, working, or possibilities of this machine; they do not even understand its simplest functions, because they do not know the purpose of these functions.
"You often think in a very naive way," Gurdjieff said. "You already think you can do. To get rid of this conviction is more difficult than anything else for a man. You do not understand all the complexity of your organization and you do not realize that every effort, in addition to the results desired, even if it gives these, gives thousands of unexpected and often undesirable results, and the chief thing that you forget is that you are not beginning from the beginning with a nice clean, new machine. There stand behind you many years of a wrong and stupid life, of indulgence in every kind of weakness, of shutting your eyes to your own errors, of striving to avoid all unpleasant truths, of constant lying to yourselves, of self-justification, of blaming others, and so on, and so on. All this cannot help affecting the machine. The machine is dirty, in places it is rusty, and in some places artificial appliances have been formed, the necessity for which has been created by its own wrong way of working. These artificial appliances will now interfere very much with all your good intentions. They are called 'buffers.'"


As we can see people have all kinds of buffers or or "Unconscious Self-Defense Mechanisms" as I call them, shutting one off from objective truth (lying to oneself) and re-enforcing/justifying illusions. Buffers are also big in the New Age arena, where certain teachings (based on pseudo spirituality) act as Buffers and actually give power to the false self, rather than cutting through the lies and deceptions and connecting to the real "I". In that way people who think they are awake, because they read a couple of "spiritual" books, meditate on the merkarba or just focus on "positive" and "happy" thoughts delude themselves. They dream of being awake, but they are still asleep, plugged into a different program of the Matrix.

Knightowl wrote:If one is not "Self aware" of oneself how can you become aware of what is around you. To be asleep /blind is like being on autopilot.


Very true, without Self-Knowledge there is no awakening and before one can awake, one needs to make the shadow/dark conscious and confront one's buffers and conditioning. That is the true meaning of light work, to shine light into dark and make it conscious. Just like Gurdjeff said, the main error most people make is that they think they can "do" already, yet they don't even see the lies they tell themselves to comfort them and to make themselves feel better. They don't know themselves, don't know their "machine".
In regards to "resonating" that's where the trap snaps, because many people judge the "truth" of something because it makes them feel "warm and fuzzy" when they read something. But if it is something that irritates them or may question one of their "sacred cows" (dogmatic beliefs) they dismiss it right away, without taking into account that they are acting mechanically under the spell of the Matrix, not rocking the boat so to speak, being lured back to sleep. What is presented and sold as "Spirituality" these days are mere sleeping pills, but they are clever ones, because they make people believe they are awake, while they are deep in sleep. The New Age Movement is in many ways just another program of the Matrix. It has the same "code" as any other fundamental religion. It is based on subjective blind belief, emotional attachment, at times guru/savior worship ( "Jesus will save us" is being replaced by "Aliens will save us"), and the belief that one is "better" than the one's who have not "awaken" yet. BIG EGOS in the New Age Arena. Ultimately it's just like re-arranging the furniture in the prison, but not breaking "out" of it or transcending it.
That is not to say, that all messages that make one feel good are always deceptive. No, but the devil, as always is in the detail. Discernment and critical thinking should not be replaced by emotions which can easily be manipulated. Politicians know how to play that game and the recent Obama hype at the elections was a great example for emotional manipulation. In the end it is all about buffers:

In Search of the Miraculous wrote:'Buffers' are created slowly and gradually. Very many 'buffers' are created artificially through 'education.' Others are created under the hypnotic influence of all surrounding life. A man is surrounded by people who live, speak, think, and feel by means of 'buffers.' Imitating them in their opinions, actions, and words, a man involuntarily creates similar 'buffers' in himself. 'Buffers' make a man's life more easy. It is very hard to live without 'buffers.' But they keep man from the possibility of inner development because 'buffers' are made to lessen shocks and it is only shocks that can lead a man out of the state in which he lives, that is, waken him. 'Buffers' lull a man to sleep, give him the agreeable and peaceful sensation that all will be well, that no contradictions exist and that he can sleep in peace. 'Buffers' are appliances by means of -which a man can always be in the right. 'Buffers' help a man not to feel his conscience.

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To be asleep /blind is like being on autopilot

Post  Admin on Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:04 am

Knightowl, thanks for those key points as well. I am always speaking about the autopilot process which is where most people are. It is so great to see these kinds of posts stirring deep thought. Three years ago I had a Forum up on this site and I had to take it down. I cannot even begin to tell you what it turned into. Tons of New Agers spewing fantasy filled stories that caused great confusion to those who were truly seeking to expand. I realize that everyone is taking in what they need but for me I choose not to be a supporter of the disempowerment that was being injected into seeking minds. So thank you!

"If one is not "Self aware" of oneself how can you become aware of what is around you. To be asleep /blind is like being on autopilot. When we walk down the street one leg goes before the other and propels us along as the arms swing perhaps?"
YES, YES!!

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Agree- great post-oh those "programs"

Post  Admin on Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:48 am

Hi Aquamantar,

Great post indeed! Lots of food for thought. Yes, yes...I love it!! It is sooo beautiful to hear from people who really do get it. I am so glad that you mentioned the tip about resonance. There is always an individual that will have a resonance with the most extreme, actions, beliefs etc. Of course this is their validation for doing a great many things...lots of atrocities in the name of some sort of religion or spiritual belief with no foundation to support it. Truth is such a relative experience because when anyone believes in their position very strongly they will die or kill to uphold their truth. Yet to that individual it is the ultimate truth. It is gospel. It is the reason why I do not attempt to convince anyone or challenge their truth. When people or an individual is in a space where he/she is yearning for deeper knowledge and they appear at my door to engage in what I might be saying then that individual is self governing in wanting to hear what I have to say. Otherwise it falls on deaf ears of course until the individual has arisen to question the limited scope or fabric by which his/her truth hangs. Until then his/her reference point of resonance is going to be based on the limited perceptions stemming from the programming and indoctrinations exposed to over the course of his/her life. Thanks so much for pointing that out...I am delighted experience who you are.

Well lets not speak about the "New Age" stuff I have been speaking about that for years and I am sure there are many who thought that I was crazy...good to see I am in fine company! bounce

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Resonance, Truth and Illusion

Post  SpiralOut on Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:33 pm

Hi,

I just came across recently to the work of Sonia Barrett and spiritinform. Having watched some vids and read some articles, it reflects much of what I've realized and found out over the years as well. I like her style of presenting it too. Good work!
I don't know where to post this, but there a couple of things I like to address and give some food for thought, which most people in the "conspiracy" world and "New Age" arena hardly address or haven't even looked into.
One is about the whole idea that one should just take in information that "resonates" with one without looking into the idea of "resonating" in more depth and how it actually can be deceiving and a trap in itself, where resonating becomes more like emotional wishful thinking (from the false self/ego) or validating one's (programmed) belief system rather than true recognition from the true self.

What is truth , what are lies, what is disinfo, what is really going on in the world?

In this overwhelming sea of information, especially in this day and age, where lies and truth are mixed like water and milk, it seems hard at times to really see/know what is going on, as it is.
We are conditioned with beliefs from society, education, government, religion, media, parents and teachers. It's a world where the blind teach/follow the blind and the programming/conditioning is deep and far reaching. Most folks don't even realize how strong the conditioning is and defend/repeat beliefs/world views which have been memorized/learned over decades/centuries but were never questioned.

Then there is the new age field and the "love and light" crowd who have developed a similar mindset as the fundamental religious crowd based on blind belief, very gullible to anything that "sounds" good and is "positive" and many folks justify the truth of something just because it "resonates" with them. Well, for the Fundamental Christians or Arabic religious people, what is written in the bible/koran, very much "resonates" with them as well, even in the literal sense and we know the danger of such blind beliefs.
That is not to say that we shouldn't trust our inner gut and feelings, however, one needs to be careful and very (self)-aware, where this "resonance" is coming from. Is it reflecting our conditioned mind set and patterns of wishful thinking and beliefs we have, or does it go deeper than that and strikes through our conditioning, even if it is something we don't "like" to see, is against our belief system, but it may be the truth, objectively, as it is?
Interesting to note that some people do not truly understand the meaning of "love and light", some even think of light as a literal bright light, when in the true sense it means gaining knowledge on the path to Illumnination, not just imagining balls of light .
Denial and Ignorance seem to be the true "enemies" of our time and you can see it anywhere, not only in the "average" joe/jane but many folks who claim to be "aware" and "spiritual" have these patterns of subjective "tunnel vision".

We must not forget our logical mind and need for critical thinking. Science is mostly based on the logical mind and the five sensory world, leaving no room for "higher" knowledge. New Age material is at times just based on wishful thinking, assumption and blind belief without using logic or critical thinking for discernment.
What is needed is both, intuition and logic, the left and right brain working in harmony and balance, truly understanding the self and gaining self-knowledge, understanding one's conditioning, thought patterns, belief systems, where they came from and what they are, looking deep within oneself, doing "the work" to become a free thinking individuals with true free will, not a machine who just acts out of conditioning and is a victim of external influences, being in a self-inflicted prison her or she are not even aware of. Gurdjieff talks about that in his conversations with Ouspensky in the classic "In the Search of the Miraculous":

"You don't realize your own situation. You are in prison. All you can wish for , if you are a sensible man, is to escape. But how escape? Man must first realize that he is in prison. So long as he fails to realize this, so long as he thinks he is free, he has no chance whatsoever. No one can liberate him by force, against his will, in opposition to his wishes. If liberation is possible, it is possible only as a result of great labor and great efforts, and, above all, of conscious effort, towards a definite aim.
A man must first of all understand certain things. He has thousands of false ideas and false conceptions, chiefly about himself, and he must get rid of some of them before beginning to acquire anything new. Otherwise the new will be built on a wrong foundation and the result will be worse than before.
To speak the truth is the most difficult thing in the world; one must study a great deal and for a long time in order to speak the truth. The wish alone is not enough. To speak the truth one must know what the truth is and what a lie is, and first of all in oneself. And this nobody wants to know."

Without self-knowledge objective research is limited, as one will get caught up in one's own subjectivity, not being able to see things as they are, not as one would like them to be according to preference/denial based on a personal belief system.

As the late comedian Bill Hicks used to say:"A belief is just that: a belief. It doesn't necessarily mean it is true."

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